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Posted - 2014.05.31 01:10:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:anything less than a MEANINGFUL transfer of our dust characters to legion is absolutely unacceptable, if they want to keep the player base they already have.
I completely agree, and it seems that CCP understand this as well.
The specifics aren't released yet, because the actual game systems aren't in place yet, but persistence of SP seems to be something CCP is supporting.
/incoming shameless plug It is certainly something I'll push for as a member of the community and (hopefully) CPM 1 rep/end shameless plug
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Posted - 2014.05.31 17:55:00 -
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Regis Blackbird wrote:SP can be tricky as I explained in the linked thread. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2182860#post2182860They can't just look at the total amount, but have to take into consideration active playtime, boosters etc. If you have 30mil SP in Dust and want 30mil in Legion, then I think you will be disappointed. With that said, I think CCP will make sure we are well compensated for our time in Dust.
SP is not tricky, it'll be a simple 1:1 ratio with a possible algorithmic conversion applied if Legion uses differing skill multipliers.
Anything less than a full value transfer for all characters results in extra development resources being diverted into unneeded restrictions while also increasing the likelihood that player investment of time and/or money is stripped away and made non-persistent. This removal of player investment (at the cost of additional development resources no less) is simply unacceptable.
From the example in your quote I am both A & B (there was a span when I was out of town without net due to visiting relatives... CCP, rollover system on the cap for Legion, yes?).
Speaking as someone who's done both, and who has spoken with people across various playstyles it is vastly prefreible that some players who may have opted out of Dust for awhile get SP in Legion and thus give it a try (yes even if they are "C" SP gainers) than to spend development resources on excluding them or to increase the risk that other players are excluded.
Obviously even your example is an edge case representation and the real application becomes shades of gray.
Ex: Player D has hardly logged in and hasn't spent a dime on Dust since Live Release; in closed however he spent over a grant on AUR, capped out every day, and had community interaction. Does he get nothing because during live he fits your criteria for "C" or does he get everything because during Closed he fits your criteria for A & B?
Player E, created a character at live launch, played for 2.5 months and then was called overseas for work. Has been away for an extended span without access to a PS3 but has avidly followed the game and its progression. Is looking forward to playing Legion and is pleased to have a bit of SP built up even though he was unable to play Dust as much as he wanted.
Most of his SP is passive and he hasn't been able to play in months, should player E get nothing?
Player F, has the same profile as your player A, but has never spent a dime on the game and has stated that he will not, does he still retain his SP or is he below the cut off line and becomes an example of player C?
Player G, has a 5 month old character, and has played casually in intermittent intervals for a total of 2 weeks average play from 'player B' style playing. Doesn't show up often, SP is overwhelmingly from passive gains, but he still plays the game.
Does player G deserve nothing?
Player H, has played actively on two characters, never spent a dime, and left all passives on a third character (he's using all three slots). He is active, but at a casual level over the two characters, which of these alts, if any, would retain their SP under your proposal?
Player I, 2 year old character, plays very rarely, mostly just a few matches after every update to see where balance stands. Loves the possibilities and concept offered by Dust-Legion but finds the current iteration of the game too limiting or frustrating in some way to play actively at this time. Has still been involved in the game since closed beta and hasn't given up on the idea, he's just waiting and keeping an eye on things until they really live up to their potential.
Does he deserve nothing?
End of the day
When it comes right down to it, players who aren't actually going to play Legion won't gain anything from having played Dust. Many won't even transfer their characters. The few edge cases where someone will gain an advantage from a 'passive ride' are so minimal in implication that they're not worth disenfranchising members of the community (or spending development dollars) on seeking to avoid.
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